Big Question #2: Black and White or Gray

I was thinking of another discussable question and would love to hear everyone's thoughts:


Are YHWH's instructions black and white, or are there gray areas? If there are gray areas, list them.


RB: Black and white. The gray areas are between our ears.

DH: When one removes the black and white of Torah, then ALL one finds is differing shades of gray....but it is all gray.

MC: Tzit Tzi's - suppose to wear them...but there are all kinds of ways to tie them - unless you are Rabbinic. This is where we get to be creative!

WH: loves RB's answer lol We either serve YAH (light/white) or we serve the flesh (darkness/black) ...we can't serve 2 masters (gray)

GG: For the most part YHWH's instructions are black and white, but there are times when there are gray areas. For instant we are suppose to rest on Sabbath but than again if we see someone in need of help, we should help that person. So there are gray areas....like Diane said...differing shades of gray.

GH: I believe HIs commands are an invitation to intimacy with Him as well as a path of wholeness/completeness, for our ultimate destiny, path, goal is intimacy that the first Adam experienced with YHVH prior to the Fall. I don't know if I would call them 'gray areas'. I believe that YHVH commadments were meant to be obeyed as they are written, but that we are to prayerfuly consult *with Him* as to the practicalities. The Tzi-ttzit are a good example. His Word says wear them... and in not giving us the particulars I believe He is inviting us to intimacy with Him; we are invited to ask HIM how long.

LL: No such thing as gray areas in the word of YHVH.

JA: I think the gray areas or the areas of non-explanation are where He allows us to determine the 'how' ... example - Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, the command, is black and white. You either do or do not obey the command. But HOW you keep it holy, set it apart, is what makes it special and a reminder to each individual person/family. The Word says, 'do no regular work', but that is different for every individual even though the command is black and white. YHVH allows for creativity, interpretation, and individual freedom within the realm of His black and white commands. (Liked the person who mentioned tying the tzizits!)

DH: GG, I don't think you quite understood what I said.

When you get gray is when you try to make up your own rules of conduct without God's set black and white of Torah.

Yes, there are places where the exact how's are not set down in writing....which is what makes the variety in observance, but that is not gray, that is allowing each individual to choose *how* they go about setting apart the Sabbath, or tying the tzit tzit etc.

Gray is a mixture of essentially good and evil, but what fellowship do light and darkness have with each other.....?

SS: Gray areas are our activities in life which aren't specifically covered in the bible . Can we, enjoy an alcoholic drink? What about wearing make-up? Women in slacks? Smoking? Driving? Watching TV? Going out to a rock concert? Swimming? Cutting your hair?

JA: Good explanation of 'gray', Diane. Yeshua says that when we mix the holy (hot) and the profane (cold), we become gray (lukewarm). He vomits the lukewarm out of his mouth!

SS: Rom 14; 14-17 I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died. Therefore do not let your good be spoken of as evil; for the kingdom of God is not food and drink, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

What it is the meaning of this verse? No food is unclean?

Celebrating birthdays is a gray area,I heard someone say that because in the Bible only evil people celebrated their birthdays we should not celebrate ,even though the Bible does not specifically condemn it.

DT: Gray areas are usually excuses and what I used to do when I was a former Baptist Minister. I called Gray areas liberty and really they were excuses for not doing the obvious black and white things in Torah.

SS: The law of God is black and white,the non-moral issues,cultural issues, this I think are the gray area.We are free,we are not in bondage,but we cannot use our freedom to offend others,or those who are weak,that would not be love

GH: SS, you asked the meaning of the verse you quoted. Using the Tenakh (old testament) as the foundation, we already know what is and is not food -this was addressed by YHVH in Leviticus, so we have no need to look elsewhere for an explanation of clean food vs. unclean meats. What is in question is whether those things already defined as 'food' by Elohim can be made unclean by acts of man, in this case foods sacrificed to idols. The answer is no - if Elohim says it is clean, it remains clean.

DT: But are there really gray areas? Or is it that we do not know what G-d has already said? I was a minister who sadly like most do not know their Bible very well because we refuse the Torah. When we do that then what G-d already said we dismiss as irrelevant. That opens the door for opinions. Then all of the gray enters in. Why because if what G-d said before is no longer valid today, then what do you do with unclean meats? Well I think that pork is clean, No I think pork is unclean. The debates never end. When in fact G-d already made a decision on pork. It is unclean. Torah still is holy and just and good. It is what we should live by and if we simply do what Elohim says then our opinions go away. No more gray areas so called. G-d told us black and white in Torah. Now it is time for us to follow and obey. G-d is not an American giving us rights. We must hearken as it was always since the first man.

JA: DT... that response above was PERFECT! Thanks!

DT: Sure JA! I guess I have to be honest. I was a Minister who really messed it all up and I have to be real and help others not screw up like I did. I never want to offend anyone. Sadly I think that I do at times. But I have to be genuine and use my own life to help others. Before Torah and obedience in the Scriptures I was like everybody else in the Pulpit. I regret all of the mess I was taught and then taught to others. I was sincere, but sincerely wrong. I never meant to deceive but I did not know any better like I do now.

SS: DT, you are a Pastor? My experience has been in a church,non denomination church,but we believe in Jesus Christ as the Savior,I am not aware of my Pastor telling me that is okay to disobey the law of God,actually I don't think it ever happened.

Maybe it is just because we think we have to keep the 10 Commandments,and some other laws.I think there is such a misunderstanding about what is law and what is not law.No one would say it is okay to kill or lie because Jesus has forgiven you,but this is part of the 10 Commandments

Matt: DT said the very point I wanted to get to. Everyone kept focusing on the gray areas, the "hows", without seeing what today's churches teach the gray areas are - their opinions. But my point in asking as vague as I did was to see just how many people would see that the laws truly are black and white.

SS: You completely missed DT's point regarding teaching others. He has, in the past, done like many pastors still do - they teach against following Torah, or they simply don't teach it at all. And I would bet that your pastor DID, in fact, tell you that it was "okay to disobey the law of God" by telling you it was okay to eat pork, shark and scallops; that the Sabbath was Sunday and it didn't matter if you worked on that day, and all of the other things that pastors misteach about. If a person is non-Torah-observant, and they believe that following Torah is wrong, they are going to also teach that it is wrong.

It is when the Holy Spirit opens their eyes and convicts that person that the truths held in the Old Testament aren't "old" but rather still to be followed, that they will start teaching others (or try to) to do the same.

JA: Most pastors teach 'obey God', but without being willing to give concrete ways. When faced with a question of a concrete way, I was told, 'that's not for today.' More pastors don't teach anything at all. How many teach the least of the commandments let alone the greatest of the commandments? That is the determination of 'reward position in the kingdom of heaven' according to Yeshua. DT, my first thoughts were, 'what a humble man to admit such truths.' I sat in awe in my chair. My husband said, 'That man is one in a million!' Thank you. I don't know what is taught in seminaries, but I knew a young man, strong believer, after 4 years in seminary had no faith at all, didn't even believe the Bible to be inerrant Truth, and fell into new age beliefs and then he was given a church! We all need to be good Bereans and study the Word.

DT: Shalom everyone. I am just being honest I guess. I was with G-d and now I have to be with the sheep. As Matt said and Julie, if you preach you have to tell folks what to do in regard to holiness. They all are seeking and wanting to know how to be G-dly. They are real and very sincere. They really do want to please the L-rd, yet at the same time no one (used to be me) from the pulpit is telling them how concretely. Therefore it is all gray. Why? If there is not Torah today, then it has to be gray. It must be your Pastor's opinion! Or what used to be mine. Then G-d and His judgment is left behind. This opens the door to all kinds of doctrine. Because if again there is no Torah now, then you have to come up with your own beliefs too. I am a pretty smart guy. I am also an avid student of the Word. But if I do not use what G-d gave me in Torah, then these smart and good things are used to do what is right in my own eyes. I fabricate doctrines and ways of doing things. My intentions are indeed good but my wisdom is not like the Father's nor are my ways like His. Thus I find myself in sincere error. And then I teach my people this.

When this all happens then the concrete does occur in the bad way. We make gray areas as if they are what G-d teaches. We make the Gray areas as if they are Torah when in fact they are not :Thus sayeth the L-rd". But the sheep do not know any different. And then the gray become black and white to them. And this bad teaching is therefore passed down from one person to the next.

I have spent a lot of time discovering where I went wrong. G-d has revealed much to me. I have repented of this and now my mission is clear. I must teach His sheep who are sincere to not follow these gray areas anymore. I must show all that Torah is what is indeed black and white. Thus sayeth the L-rd is indeed just that. What I think or what I choose is filled with fault. What G-d decides stands forever!... Read More

So Torah is not a matter of legalism it is a matter of truth.

Yeshua has gained for us the sacrificial atonement and the offering by blood as required in Torah. So following Torah is a matter of following what the Father says to do. My Friends I love you dearly and I only desire to show any that Torah is indeed the Word of G-d. It is relevant for today and is a matter of being like G-d. Imitating Him and being His people.We can no longer tell people to be holy and righteous and then not tell them how. We must tell them how to honor G-d. Simply saying that they must do so and then not let them follow Torah is ridiculous. If there is no Torah, then we do not have the doctrine to teach anyone! We can't tell them how to be holy or do the will of Elohim. Why? Because we have rejected the way that G-d gave us to know His will.

SS: Well,it came down just to Sunday worship and eating pork,that is were the difference is.I did ask the pastor why Sunday? Because it is the first day of the week that jesus met with his people and Pentecost also was on Sunday.God will lead me and tell me how to live,the Holy Spirit not a Pastor,he is just a man,a sinner like everyone else.I have to seek the truth,read the Bible and ask in prayer and listen to Him,I don't blame the pastor or the church,because it is between me and the Lord

Christians also believe that God has made all food clean. The only law that is not applicable today,is the temple law,because there is no temple,actually we are the temple of God.The sacrificial law also is not applicable,Jesus was the Ultimate sacrifice,we do not need to slaughter animals anymore for our sins,we can came into the Holy of Holy through His blood

JA: There is a difference between understanding what was created as food and what was not. All that was created as food is clean; all that was not meant to be food is not. The question I ask is 'what happened to change the pig, the horse, the rat, the eagle, or the camel when Yeshua died on the cross?

SS: I think the Scripture they use is 1 timothy 4:2-5
(3) forbidding to marry,and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.For every creature of God is good,and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

DT: But G-d did not create the pig to be received with thanksgiving since it is an abomination. G-d's Word and prayer does not sanctify pork or any unclean food. When it speaks of prayer and thanksgiving it is referring to Jewish blessing after a meal. One cannot thank G-d nor bless Him after eating that which is unclean. And the Scriptures never condone blessing an abomination.

G-d was the one who forbade the unclean not man as in these verses you referred to in 1 Timothy 4.

SS: I also notice that some Christians do not eat pork and shell fish,in fact I have listened to a christian nutritionist who wrote books on the subject: Eat drink and be healthy,who also believe that this foods should not be eaten and are unclean,and he is a christian,so it is not all of us

DT: That's a very good point SS. Not everyone has gone against the Father. Absolutely. Yet I would say what many Rabbi's in History have said about eating pork or bacon. Rabbi, do you abstain from pork because it is vile? No said the Rabbi. What the student proclaimed! My son I love the taste of meat and I am sure that It would be tasty indeed by the smell of it cooking. So why would you not eat it Rabbi? I would and do abstain for the sole reason that Adonai forbids it! His words determine my rejection of it.

So even though pork may be lean or even if one refuses to eat it based upon health reasons, this all may be well and fine. Yet one should abstain from even the joyous if Torah tell su that our G-d abhors it. I would never again eat sugar and all the confections it makes, if my Father told me to never eat it again. Health is an ok reason, but love for G-d is far better. Not a rebuke at all. Just some information to bring understanding.

Torah in regard to food may not have anything at all to do with the fact that it is healthy or unhealthy. It is simply that G-d said no or yes. Obedience is far better than sacrifice.

JA: Yes, I had someone ask me years ago, "If you found out pork was the cure all for all disease and cancer, would you then eat it?" It's not about health, it's about faith. :)

SS: Yes DT, it should be done for obedience,I am Italian it has been hard to give up on those ribs.What about krill oil? That is from shrimps,it is good for your health,are we allowed to take it?

DT: SS, you are a wise woman. I can see how YHWH has spoken to you. He did me too. It was very very hard. More tough than can be imagined really. I am nit sure If you know my story here lately but is so hard and painful. Yet I must do what G-d says. Even at the risk of loss. Isn't that what Yeshua said? Can I go to war or finish that building I have started? Yes, if G-d has told me to do so. And He has. I must be faithful and finish what He started in me.

I would not even use the smallest drop or part of an unclean anything. If the animal is unclean would not the oil or the scales or the smallest appendage. Even as our dear sister put it, even if it cured cancer, I would not take it or use it. If the disease is bad just imagine what the end of an abomination would be for me!

...this is where the conversation has currently stopped.

First big question

The first question, which is actually two questions, that I asked that resulted in a long discussion thread was this one. Little did anyone know just how long it would go!

How many people who claim to be Christians know the history of Halloween? How many people who claim to be Christians know what the Bible says about it?

CC: How many Christians think liberal people are the antichrist???

JB: A lot of them don't know, because they are not taught. Most want to be spoon fed, and don't want to take time to look it up for themselves either in the Scriptures or in the encyclopedia.

JA: What is so amazing is that the evil side of Halloween becomes more and more obvious every year and every year there are still the 'excuses' of - it's all fun.

GH: here is a little something I wrote on my blog:http://neshama-ancientpath.blogspot.com/2009/10/halloween-is-just-really-fun-holiday.html

MF: Why is it evil when it comes from a religion other than Christianity? I bet you wouldn't dare say the same with regard to Christmas...

HB: Christmas is also pagan, MF! Comes from the worship of Mithra, the god of the sun ... greek and pagan origins sorry (see Wikipedia)

GH: MF, to whom are you addressing?

MF: Oh, I already knew that. In fact, other than the carryover Hebrew holidays (which most Christians don't celebrate because of hundreds of years of Anti-Jewish sentiment by Christianity), Christianity doesn't have any real religious holidays that it didn't steal from other religions... mostly those that Christianity violently stamped out as heretical in order to establish greater control of the uneducated masses.

JA: More than pagan, Halloween is a high holy day for Wiccans aka Satanists - who probably don't celebrate the birthday of Jesus anytime - let alone Christmas ...

GH: MF, I'm not sure anyone said that something is necessarly evil just because it came from another religion.

MF: GH, mostly I am addressing MS, who is one of my oldest & dearest friends, because we're both strong enough to entertain an educated discussion such as this. But also to Julie, because I'm a little disturbed by the classification of a Non-Christian holiday as "evil" when it comes from another religion.

MS: halloween, easter, and christmas are NOT Christian holidays...

GH: MF, didn't JA say 'the evil side of halloween'? Is that the same as saying haloween is evil *because* if comes from another religion? I don;t know Julie and I can;t speak for her though, lol.

You don't see that halloween has an evil side?

MF: Wiccans are not Satanists. Their faith actually has nothing to do with the Devil that Christians believe in. Satanism was a counter culture movement of the late 1960's by a charlatan who wanted to lash out at the organized Christian Church.

And how would you classify Christian denominations that do not also celebrate Yeshuah of Nazareth's day of birth, because they see it as an unholy vanity? Are they evil as well?

GG: Apparently not many and their preachers are not telling them. They are more worried about the numbers and the money that they will lose if they told the congregation the truth.

GH: MF,according to Encyclopedia.com's Electric Library:

...spirits were believed to roam the earth on this evening, playing tricks on human beings to mark the season of diminishing sunlight. Bonfires were lit, offerings were made of dainty foods and sweets, and people would disguise themselves as one of the roaming spirits, to avoid demonic persecution.

Every religion probably has its own definition of 'evil' but I think there is a concensus that 'evil' means doing harm to another. Every religion probably has its own definitions of what 'harm' is, but this definition I quoted from seems pretty straightforward.

As to the satanists view of halloween:

After one's own birthday, the two major Satanic holidays are Walpurgisnacht (May 1st) and Halloween (or All Hallow's Eve).
-The Satanic Bible by Anton Levey

JZ: See, and here I thought Boxing Day was the work of Satan. Well, that and Election Day.

MS: Halloween is a confluence of antecedents: satanic, wiccan, druidic, celtic, pagan, catholic...none of which are positive from a Judeo-Christian perspective...

MF: No, GH. I do not. There are plenty of other religious philosophies around the world that celebrate a communion with the spirits of the departed. The Feast of Samhain is a time that the Celts of Ireland believed to be the time of the year when the realm of the living & the realm of the departed were closest together, and they could celebrate reunion with their departed.

The whole "evil" aspect of Halloween was added as a scare tactic by the Catholic church in the Medieval period to bring the Celts into line with Church doctrine, hence the evolution of the holiday we have today.

Halloween has no more an evil side than the shameless consumerism that is perpetrated upon the masses having tarnished the tradition of Christmas. And don't get me wrong, I despise what has happened to Christmas.

GH: What followers of the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are told in Torah is that we are not to worship YHVH as the pagans worship their gods. We are told He wants to be related to in a different way than those ways and that we are not to mix His way with other ways. I do not think it matters whether the other way is 'evil'or not by conventional definitions. I think it has more to do with YHVH declaring Himself above all others, and our relationship with Him diferent than the relationship others have with their gods.

MS: Halloween is indeed a negative influence...as is the commercialism and erroneous history that is part of christmas...

MF: GH, you fail to see my point. Anton Levey was that charlatan that I mentioned, and you need only do a little more research into his life to see his motivation for creating Satanism. It's as much as sham as Scientology.

GH: I am curious MF, as to the timing of the origins of The Feast of Samhain you mentioned compared to the Celt's practice I mentioned. The one I mentioned does sound evil.

And I did understand your point. My mentioning the Satanist view was not in response to what wicans believe. I know the difference. I also know that many misguided people adhere to the principals of satanism, no matter the reason for its creation. But I understand it is diferent than wicca.

MF: You have to remember that the belief that a spirit realm co-existed with their own was a fundamental part of their culture, not unlike the Greeks, the Norse, the Egyptians, and numerous other cultures that existed long before the advent of Christianity. In fact, I do believe that Christians also believe in "spirit" world of sorts co-existing with their own. Why else would people believe in guardian angels or demons always tempting them to the dark side of their soul?

I'm not trying to shake anyone's faith with this discussion, but too many Christians come at these topics from a position of fear & ignorance.

MS is one of the smartest followers of Yeshuah I know, and I am proud that he is my friend despite our difference in religious ideology.

Thanks for the lively discussion, MS!

And to all of you, may the blessing of whatever Divinity you place your faith be upon you. Good night.

GH: Yes, MS, thanks. Too bad it couldn't be continued...

MF, thanks for the dialog. Maybe we'll meet up again on another one of MS's discusions!

GG: Wow who would have thought such a discussion would be necessary for any believer. It should be obvious to anyone that Halloween is pagan. Why look at how people dress up for it. Yes, some of the costumes are cute and are not so obvious but a good majority of the people dress up as witches, druids, skeletons and the likes of which are all the scriptures warn us about not to be involved with.

It is horrible that we even have to discuss this kind of stuff. But people want a sloppy grace to take them, zap them out of this world, so that they don't have to be here when the so called Rapture takes places....why they can just be raptured right out of here while the rest of the world goes to hell in a hand basket. WRONG!!!! We are all going to be purified and these people who think Halloween is okay to celebrate and it is okay to dress up and do trick and treating, and then bring their children home and have to check their candy to see if drugs or razors have been injected into them....well, what will it take for the church to get it right.

THE CHURCH HAS NO MORE BUSINESS HOSTING A FALL FESTIVAL, A SMOKE SCREEN OF A HALLOWEEN PARTY, THAN A SATANIST HAS OF HOSTING A SUKKOT FEAST DAY!

You can never mix what belongs to YHWH with the things of this world and come out blessed on the other end. Even if you think you have been blessed, it is only a matter of time, only a moment of time, we all stand to lose everything. Then we will all be repenting and asking for forgiveness for walking in the ways of the world.

Halloween is only one aspect of this. It is not just a holiday I am speaking of here. I am speaking of how the world has infested itself into believers and we just think that it is okay when it is oh so WRONG!!!

CS: Hi,I am a Christian,I do not celebrate Halloween,and the church never encouraged me to do it.I came from Italy and the prevalent religion came from the catholic church,they celebrate all saint day,which I believe it is wrong and so it is Halloween(we do not have this feast in Italy).Maybe history shows that there was Anti-Semitism,but the church today prays for the peace of Israel.By church I mean the body of Christ,the people,by calling myself a christian I mean a follower of Christ not a religion.I do believe there is a spirit world,angels and demons,the Bible conform that.There is a natural world where we human live and a supernatural world,the spirit world influence our mind for evil or for good.
Some christian during Halloween chose to have alternative parties for their kids,or to give to the kids that come at the door,booklets of the gospel and candy,because the kids do not know about Satanic holyday,they only see candy, treats

MS: I will have to answer more on this later...

JZ: AMEN! My wife 100% agrees with you (re: election day)

GH: I never said to stop the discussion...

MF: Regardless of what Anton Levey states, Wiccans worship Satan in the form of the "oak god" and ...trust me, I lived with Jay Conner...I witnessed some of their rituals.

Halloween is a combination of 3 holidays - Samhain, which is the true source of Halloween; All Saint's Day & All Souls' Day (the Catholic Church's version of Samhain). With the exception of the Catholic Church still celebrating All Saints' Day, the "celebrations" have been rolled into a single day/night.

SC: See the way I look at it, if they (Christians) are going to celebrate other pagan holidays, why not celebrate them all!

JA: In defense of myself ... heheheh ... I lived in a place where Halloween was a high holy day of Wiccans and Satanists (there's really no difference except if one wants to believe there are white witches and black witches, and that ONE man Anton Levay started it all - if my Bible serves me, Satan started it all in the Garden and even before in the spiritual realm when he wanted to be 'like God') where I personally knew of child sacrifices - either you believe that this holiday is detestable as God says in Deuteronomy 18:10-12 or you don't - it's always a choice who we serve and who we believe - as Bob Dylan says, 'you gotta serve somebody - either the devil or the LORD' - all religions come from someone other than the most High God - YHVH - and since I believe in the devil and him being the god of this world, I do believe that all other religions are not of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, inherently evil and do not offer salvation out of a loving, forgiving Father who desires us to have a relationship with Him ... Thank you, Michael and Gail for reminding us all that the worship of dead people is forbidden, the basis of the religion of Egypt that YHVH called is people up out of ... Let's also remember that Jesus/Yeshua - WWJD?? - never celebrated Halloween nor any other holiday that comes from the pagan nations around us - I also believe that a spirit world co-exists around us, there are plenty of mentions of this in Scripture, and again, we have choices - Suzy, that's cool - until Christians really understand the seriousness of Halloween, worshipping the dead and death, they won't ever be able to truly see how pagan all the other holidays are ... Finally, as far as Christians who don't celebrate Christmas or other pagan holidays, but also don't celebrate the Feasts - well, they're missing a GREAT blessing and deeper understanding given to us by our Creator. Wow, Matt, can't wait to see you this weekend - what a THREAD!

CS: In Italy for all saints, November first,they have this weird tradition for the kids,the good kids get toys and pure sugar statue(not very healthy) and amond paste fruit shaped pastries.The bad kids had to worry for a visit from the devil.I grew up with this,not my choice,but my parents,I do not like that memory at all,I always tought it was spooky,the dead people,the devil..etc.

SM: I thought Halloween was taking all of my daughters GOOD candy and leaving her with the crap candy.

CS: We have celebrated in the church October 31,on this day in 1517, a German monk, Dr. Martin Luther, courageously published the simple, straightforward truth of the Bible, God's Word, which he had rediscovered after a long and intense spiritual struggle which earned him the wrath of the church, the Bible came into the hands of the common people again.Reformation day

MR: It occurred to me while studying the required feasts:
Rosh Hashana is the natural New Year, according to the way this planet works. Right afterward we have the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) and Sukkoth. If a person doesn't celebrate these festivals of life, they will get stuck with celebrating a festival of death a few weeks later. It's just part of the natural order.

JA: Amen MR - it goes even further, after the celebration of death, then they celebrate the birth of their Savior - such a dichotomy and so profound - if we don't celebrate the Feasts of the Lord, obey his commandments, then we make up and do our own thing - isn't that humanism?

JZ: SM: ROFL! Make sure to save me Butterfingers and Three Musketeers. Keep the wax fangs and Good 'N Plenty's. Chelsea will be lucky if she gets an M&M this year!

TB: I don't like tootsie rolls.

SM: Haha! Yes BUTTERFINGERS! Layla doesn't eat candy....yet....so I will really score! TB - I love eating and doing the Tootsie Roll - Halloween is a dancing and delicious time!